{"id":9464,"date":"2019-11-02T20:21:28","date_gmt":"2019-11-02T20:21:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=9464"},"modified":"2019-11-02T20:21:28","modified_gmt":"2019-11-02T20:21:28","slug":"sp-500-weekly-earnings-update-sp-500-still-expecting-high-4-low-5-revenue-growth-in-2020","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=9464","title":{"rendered":"SP 500 Weekly Earnings Update: SP 500 Still Expecting High 4% &#8211; Low 5% Revenue Growth in 2020"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>We heard very little about this week&#8217;s Ron Baron forecast, where he <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ccn.com\/dow-jones-prediction-2300-percent-surge\/\">predicted<\/a> a 650,000 DJIA in 50 years. The math is simple as Baron detailed it: he assumed a 6.5% average annual return for the Dow 30 for a 17-year old at full retirement age or what i assumed is 67 years old, or 50 years from now.<\/p>\n<p>This isn&#8217;t that unusual from Roger Ibbotson&#8217;s forecast in 1973 &#8211; 1974 (probably after the 50% SP 500 bear market, the only one seen in the post WW II period before 2001 &#8211; 2002) when Roger proclaimed the Dow 30 would hit 10,000 by the year 2000. (Thank you, Jeff Miller.)<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s highly unlikely I&#8217;ll be around in 50 years, so enjoy your gigantic pot of money if you are 17 years old and plan to take action on Ron Baron&#8217;s prediction.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>SP 500 data (by the numbers):<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Last year, at this time, on Friday, November 2nd, 2018, per the IBES earnings data, the &#8220;forward 4-quarter SP 500 EPS estimate&#8221; (Q4 &#8217;18 &#8211; Q3 &#8217;19) was looking for $172.99, and 9% expected SP 500 earnings growth for the SP 500 while the bottom-up expected calendar 2019 estimate was $161.99.<\/p>\n<p>Today, the expected 2019 SP 500 bottom-up estimate is $162.80 (or $0.81 higher than 52 weeks ago) and the &#8220;forward 4-quarter estimate&#8221; (Q4 &#8217;19 &#8211; Q3 &#8217;20) is expecting or predicting $173.10.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s how the math falls out:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em><strong>Fwd 4-qtr est:<\/strong><\/em> $173.10 vs last week&#8217;s $173.94<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>PE ratio:<\/strong> <\/em>17.7x<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>PEG ratio:<\/strong><\/em> 279x (Yes, seems outlandish, but this data point was put back in for readers: the &#8220;fwd 4-qtr est&#8221; is just $0.11 higher than 52 weeks prior or 6\/10ths of 1%. Relative to the 17x PE, 0.06% 279x)<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>SP 500 earnings yield:<\/strong><\/em> 5.64% this week, versus 5.76% last week<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Y\/y growth of fwd est:<\/strong><\/em> as stated above 6 basis points vs 40 basis points last week.<\/li>\n<li><\/li>\n<li><em><strong>TTM est:<\/strong><\/em> $163.59 bs $162.56 from last week<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>PE ratio:<\/strong><\/em> 18.75x<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>PEG ratio:<\/strong><\/em> 3.05x<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>TTM SP 500 earnings yield:<\/strong><\/em> 5.33% vs 5.39%<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Y<\/strong><strong>\/y growth of TTM est:<\/strong><\/em> 5.81% vs 6.74% from last week. (The math is the &#8220;fwd est \/ TTM est&#8221;, so the faster the fwd est falls, the slower the growth will look over the TTM est. Hope that makes sense).<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Y\/y growth of TTM est:<\/strong> <\/em>4% vs 4.35% from last week. (The math is the TTM est Q3 &#8217;19 &#8211; Q4 &#8217;18) vs the TTM est 52 weeks prior which would be Q3 &#8217;18 &#8211; Q4 &#8217;17).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><em><strong>Summary \/ conclusion:\u00a0 <\/strong><\/em>This SP 500 earnings data and growth expectations can get confusing as it&#8217;s laid out here. It&#8217;s completely my fault because of the confusion I&#8217;ve probably caused for readers. The one thing this blog does is calculate the &#8220;Fwd 4-qtr est&#8221; vs the same estimate 52 weeks prior: for me personally, it should provide readers with the SP 500&#8217;s ability to &#8220;expand PE&#8221; much like the measure of convexity does for a bond. The &#8220;fwd est vs the fwd est&#8221; is providing the &#8220;rate of change&#8221; for the forward estimate which again should give investors insight into the SP 500&#8217;s potential for PE expansion or contraction.<\/p>\n<p>Readers and investors are hearing a lot of positives about Q3 &#8217;19 &#8220;upside surprises&#8221; (i.e. beat rates) for SP 500 EPS and revenue, but the SP 500 is lapping the highest rate of earnings growth for the tax-cut aided Q3 &#8217;18, which grew 23% y\/y.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s 2020 that really matters right now: <a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=9457\">here is a look at the 2020 numbers from last night<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>How does revenue growth look for 2020 ?<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_9465\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-9465\" style=\"width: 124px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?attachment_id=9465\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-9465\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-9465\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/SP500revgrowth11119-124x300.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"124\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/SP500revgrowth11119-124x300.png 124w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/SP500revgrowth11119.png 208w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 124px) 100vw, 124px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-9465\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Click to open \/ enhance \/ enlarge<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>This was sent from IBES by TJ Dhillon on Friday afternoon, November 1, 2019.<\/p>\n<p>Revenue growth expectations have remained relatively constant for the SP 500 for 2020.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for reading.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We heard very little about this week&#8217;s Ron Baron forecast, where he predicted a 650,000 DJIA in 50 years. 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