{"id":9160,"date":"2019-07-06T14:01:43","date_gmt":"2019-07-06T14:01:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=9160"},"modified":"2019-07-14T23:02:11","modified_gmt":"2019-07-14T23:02:11","slug":"on-sp-500-valuation-pe-expansion-compression-and-the-financial-sector","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=9160","title":{"rendered":"On SP 500 Valuation, PE expansion \/ compression, and the Financial Sector"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Dr. David Kelly and his team at JP Morgan put together &#8211; each quarter &#8211; one of the best capital market, economic and portfolio management summaries on the Street in the form of JP Morgan&#8217;s, &#8220;Guide to the Market&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>This valuation table is typically found in the first 10 pages of &#8220;The Guide&#8221;. Here is a spreadsheet summary of the last few years of the SP 500 Valuation Table:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_9161\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-9161\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?attachment_id=9161\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-9161\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-9161\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sp500valuation7519-300x67.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"67\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sp500valuation7519-300x67.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sp500valuation7519-768x171.png 768w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sp500valuation7519-1024x227.png 1024w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sp500valuation7519.png 1553w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-9161\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">click to enhance \/ enlarge<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Here is the actual chart from the June 30, 2019, Guide:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_9162\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-9162\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?attachment_id=9162\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-9162\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-9162\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/SP500valchartGTTM7519-300x220.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"220\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/SP500valchartGTTM7519-300x220.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/SP500valchartGTTM7519-768x564.png 768w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/SP500valchartGTTM7519.png 960w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-9162\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">click to enhance \/ enlarge<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Looking at the far-right column of the valuation metrics, readers can see &#8211; either on the Excel spreadsheet or on the chart itself, that &#8211; as measured by standard deviation &#8211; the valuation measures are within the normal valuation ranges.<\/p>\n<p>As a cash-flow guy, here is a <a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=4828\">blog post<\/a> from May &#8217;15, when the SP 500&#8217;s price-to-cash-flow valuation had just moved over 10x cash-flow. At 12x cash flow today the SP 500 is getting a little more salty, but hardly near 1987 levels or early 2000 levels of 27x &#8211; 28x PE.<\/p>\n<p>Note too on the spreadsheet how valuation measures have compressed &#8211; that is a function of the flat SP 500 we&#8217;ve seen since late January, 2018.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Speaking of PE compression:\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_9164\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-9164\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?attachment_id=9164\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-9164\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-9164\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Spunkwork7619-300x167.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"167\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Spunkwork7619-300x167.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Spunkwork7619-768x428.png 768w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Spunkwork7619-1024x570.png 1024w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Spunkwork7619.png 1121w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-9164\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">click to enhance \/ enlarge<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>This table and charts are from John Spencer, Director of Wealth Management of Hackman Financial in Cincinnati, Ohio. John and i went to school together in Cincinnati, and we typically chat about the markets when we have time to do so.<\/p>\n<p>The top chart &#8211; yellow and blue lines show &#8211; show plainly that there has been little &#8220;PE expansion&#8221; in this bull market, since March, 2009.<\/p>\n<p>To highlight John&#8217;s work, I took a look at SP 500 cumulative earnings growth from 1990 to 1999, versus the cumulative return on the SP 500 and SP earnings grew 79% cumulatively for the decade, while the total return on the SP 500 for the same period was 190%.<\/p>\n<p>The point for readers is that there has been little to no PE expansion in this 10-year bull market despite the cacophony of the SP 500 being overvalued.<\/p>\n<p>PE expansion is typically the hallmark of bull markets.<\/p>\n<p>Gives the reader some idea of how this market remains so hated, even as it breaks out to an all-time-high.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Market cap vs Earnings weight &#8211; is the Financial sector a screaming buy ?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_9166\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-9166\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?attachment_id=9166\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-9166\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-9166\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/mktcapvsearningswt62419-300x94.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"94\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/mktcapvsearningswt62419-300x94.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/mktcapvsearningswt62419-768x240.png 768w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/mktcapvsearningswt62419-1024x321.png 1024w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/mktcapvsearningswt62419.png 1690w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-9166\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">click to enhance \/ enlarge<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Seeking Alpha has always been kind of enough to pick up the posts on this blog, and this <a href=\"https:\/\/seekingalpha.com\/article\/4272680-financials-now-value-play-12-percent-market-cap-vs-20-percent-earnings-weight\">recent post<\/a> on Financials and the pretty substantial disparity between Financials earnings weight in the SP 500 and the sector&#8217;s market cap weight, elicited very few thoughtful responses.<\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;d think &#8211; maybe as one investment strategy &#8211; that readers would overweight the sectors where the market cap was less than the earnings weight and underweight the opposite &#8211; but I have no historical data on how that strategy would have performed.<\/p>\n<p>My own opinion is this &#8220;gap&#8221; is way too big, but also, I don&#8217;t know what breaks the Financial&#8217;s out of their malaise.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe higher long-end rates, maybe a steeper yield curve (same thing), maybe faster economic growth, and maybe some combination of all three.<\/p>\n<p>Q2 &#8217;19 earnings should be interesting for the sector. Of the 11 sectors within the SP 500, Financial&#8217;s are actually expecting the strongest earnings growth for calendar 2019:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em><strong>Financials:<\/strong><\/em> +8.9%<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Health Care:<\/strong><\/em> +6.2%<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Cons Disc:<\/strong><\/em> +6.1%<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Industrials:<\/strong><\/em> +5.3%<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Utilities:<\/strong><\/em> +4.3%<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Real Estate:<\/strong><\/em> +4.2%<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Comm Services:<\/strong> <\/em>+2.3%<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Cons Spls:<\/strong><\/em> +1.1%<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Technology:<\/strong><\/em> -2.8%<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Energy:<\/strong><\/em> -11.5%<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Basic Mat<\/strong><\/em>: -19.1%<\/li>\n<li>SP 500: +2.2% expected EPS growth for 2019 as of July 5, 2019<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Are Financial&#8217;s being disintermediated or &#8220;disrupted&#8221; ? Sure, the sector is an easy candidate for that. All the banking system ultimately does is &#8220;wash money&#8221; in the non-criminal sense of the term.<\/p>\n<p>It may be the new &#8220;retail&#8221; over the next 3 &#8211; 5 years, i.e. solid brands, attractive valuations and under-performing stocks.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Summary \/ Conclusion: <\/strong><\/em>This weekend&#8217;s blog post is chock full of various topics, so I hope readers can take something useful from the data, and spreadsheets and information.<\/p>\n<p>While bullishness has increased of late and the SP 500 has made a new all-time-high, there is little excitement around investing and being in &#8220;the market&#8221;. Personally, I think that&#8217;s a long-term plus.<\/p>\n<p>Q2 &#8217;19 earnings begin in earnest with the Financial sector reporting the week after next, which is the week of July 15th, so don&#8217;t sweat what happens this week too much.<\/p>\n<p>By late September, it&#8217;s expected that the &#8220;expected&#8221; Q2 &#8217;19 SP 500 earnings of flat today, will be higher by 3% &#8211; 5%, which is the average &#8220;upside surprise&#8221; every quarter.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for reading.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dr. David Kelly and his team at JP Morgan put together &#8211; each quarter &#8211; one of the best capital&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[84,53,140,153],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-9160","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-financial-sector","category-financials","category-pe-expansion-contraction","category-sp-500-valuation"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"post_mailing_queue_ids":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9160","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=9160"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9160\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":9183,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9160\/revisions\/9183"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=9160"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=9160"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=9160"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}