{"id":8286,"date":"2018-10-21T14:21:37","date_gmt":"2018-10-21T14:21:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=8286"},"modified":"2018-10-23T12:07:31","modified_gmt":"2018-10-23T12:07:31","slug":"frustrating-financials-like-the-sp-500-seeing-a-year-of-pe-compression","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=8286","title":{"rendered":"Frustrating Financials: Like the SP 500, Seeing a Year of PE Compression ?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Seasonally, the SP 500 is entering one it&#8217;s strongest periods of the calendar year.<\/p>\n<p>The SPY&#8217;s YTD total return as of Friday, 10\/19\/18, was about 5%, while the XLF and KRE ETF&#8217;s returned -3% and -6% respectively, YTD.<\/p>\n<p>Client&#8217;s largest financial position for most accounts is Charles Schwab (SCHW), which is now down 8% in calendar &#8217;18, being offset to some degree by CME&#8217;s 26% YTD return, and JP Morgan&#8217;s +3% YTD return.<\/p>\n<p>Refinitive IBES noted with this weeks earnings look, that Financial sector earnings growth for Q3 &#8217;18 will be 44.5%, which is being boosted by the multi-line and P&amp;C insurance businesses and the hurricane season from Q3 &#8217;17, so if those two sectors are excluded, the expected Financial sector earnings growth falls to 33.7%, still not too shabby.<\/p>\n<p>The top SP 500 Financial weights:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>#4 weight: Berkshire at 1.7%<\/li>\n<li>#7 weight: JP Morgan at 1.5%<\/li>\n<li>#10: Bank of America at 1.12%<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>(Source: Morningstar data)<\/p>\n<p>Expected revenue growth for Q3 &#8217;18 for the Financial sector is 8% and for the 4th quarter, Refinitive IBES is expecting 4% revenue growth, while Factset is expecting 3.4% and 4.7% respectively.<\/p>\n<p>The earnings growth for the sector is there, but the return is not, not unlike the SP 500 in 2018, which is seeing 23% y\/y earnings growth, but the YTD return for the SPY is just 5%.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Summary \/ Conclusion: <\/strong><\/em>Can the Financial sector play catch up with the SP 500 into the final months of 2018, assuming that we get a seasonal market rally into year-end 2018 ? The best years for the Financial sector, such as 2013 and 2017, were also good years for the SP 500, returning 32% and 22% respectively.<\/p>\n<p>Chris Verrone, the excellent technician at Strategas Partners, came through Chicago this summer and noted that &#8211; in his opinion &#8211; the three value sectors within the SP 500 were Energy, Industrials and Financials.<\/p>\n<p>Schwab is Trinity&#8217;s largest individual Financial sector position currently, (and has been for close to 7 &#8211; 8 years, maybe longer) and I do think the stock is still 10% &#8211; 20% undervalued. The drag on the stock is the price war happening within the traditional &#8220;discount broker&#8221; sector, with firms like Fidelity and TD Ameritrade. Commissions have been cut to $4.95 the last few years and Fidelity launched a set of &#8220;zero&#8221; cost market index funds that have a zero expense ratio. Eventually I think Schwab gets to zero commissions, as does the rest of the sector. These former &#8220;discount brokers&#8221; are now asset gatherers, with Schwab&#8217;s $3.5 trillion in assets under management dwarfing TD Ameritrade, and even Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley. (Fidelity is still a private company, but it looks like their assets under management are $2.1 trillion.)<\/p>\n<p>Schwab grew EPS this year 50%, a lot of it tax-rate reduction aided, so ex the tax cut, I&#8217;d suspect Schwab still would have grown EPS 20% in calendar &#8217;18 and is expected to grow EPS 17% in 2019, with a 16x multiple on the stock.<\/p>\n<p>A more in-depth, bottom-up, research piece will be posted to Seeking Alpha in the next 24 &#8211; 48 hours on Schwab. Check the SA site for a more detail and valuation work.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for reading.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Seasonally, the SP 500 is entering one it&#8217;s strongest periods of the calendar year. 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