{"id":19213,"date":"2026-01-25T11:59:58","date_gmt":"2026-01-25T17:59:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=19213"},"modified":"2026-01-25T11:59:58","modified_gmt":"2026-01-25T17:59:58","slug":"ibm-earnings-preview-ibms-operating-margin-is-slowly-expanding","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=19213","title":{"rendered":"IBM Earnings Preview: IBM&#8217;s Operating Margin is Slowly Expanding"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>IBM (IBM) is scheduled to report their Q4 &#8217;25 financial results after the closing bell on Wednesday, July 28th, 2026.<\/p>\n<p>Microsoft (MSFT), Tesla (TSLA) and Meta (META) are also scheduled to report Wednesday night, January 28th after the market closes so there will be enough tech reports to satisfy everyone.<\/p>\n<p>The reason for the interest in IBM from this blog, is that since the stock peaked in mid-April, 2013 near $215 per share, IBM has returned 7.11% versus the SP 500&#8217;s 14.45% return the last 12 years. A lot of the IBM return has come since July 1 &#8217;24 when IBM was still trading under $170. The former mainframe giant didn&#8217;t take out that $215 high until the 4th quarter of 2024, and since breaking out returned +37.8% in calendar &#8217;25 versus the SP 500&#8217;s +17.8% return.<\/p>\n<p>After 12 years IBM is finally generating &#8220;alpha&#8221; for investors, and at least in terms of it&#8217;s historical tech cycle (discussed below), there should be more upside to go for the stock.<\/p>\n<p>Sell-side consensus is looking for $4.32 in EPS and $19.2 billion in revenue, as well as $4.9 bl in operating income, for expected year-over-year (y-o-y) growth of 10%, 9% and 17% respectively.<\/p>\n<p>For 2026, IBM consensus is expecting 5% revenue growth and 8% EPS growth for the full-year 2026.<\/p>\n<p>Without burying the lede, and to make for a hopefully short and sweet earnings preview, IBM&#8217;s operating margin has been slowly expanding this decade, and also capex has been shrinking which has boosted free-cash-flow, so take a look at the following numbers:<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>IBM operating margin:<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em><strong>4-qtr avg: <\/strong><\/em>19.9%<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>12-qtr avg: <\/strong><\/em>17.6%<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>20-qtr avg: <\/strong><\/em>15.8%<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>40-qtr avg: <\/strong><\/em>15.7%<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The big change the last 5 years has been the full integration of RedHat, not to mention the emergence of the AI opportunity. In the June &#8217;25 quarter the &#8220;AI book&#8221; at IBM was $7.5 bl, while at the end of the Sept &#8217;25 quarter, the AI book was pegged at $9.5 bl (cumulatively).<\/p>\n<p>Another big change is the IBM business model transition from a mainframe and hardware business to a significant software business, which is now mid-40% of IBM&#8217;s total revenue. (Morningstar refers to IBM&#8217;s software segment as &#8220;it&#8217;s largest business segment&#8221;, but also notes that it doesn&#8217;t expect the software segment to become greater than 50% of revenue until 2029.)<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Capex has been shrinking:\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Looking at the cash-flow statement, here&#8217;s a look at IBM&#8217;s annual capex for the decade so far:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em><strong>2025:<\/strong><\/em> $1.8 bl (thru 9 months)<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>2024:<\/strong><\/em> $881 million<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>2023:<\/strong> <\/em>$1.492 billion<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>2022:<\/strong><\/em> $1.7 billion<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>2021:<\/strong><\/em> $2.2 billion<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>2020:<\/strong><\/em> $2.6 billion<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The lowered capex has led to these free-cash-flow (FCF) numbers for the same period:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em><strong>2025:<\/strong><\/em> $14.2 billion (est) (LSEG has a $6.8 bl free-cash-flow estimate for Q4 &#8217;25)<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>2024:<\/strong><\/em> $13.0 billion<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>2023:<\/strong> <\/em>$12.4 billion<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>2022:<\/strong><\/em> $6.9 billion<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>2021:<\/strong><\/em> $7.5 billion<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>2020:<\/strong><\/em> $10.4 billion<\/li>\n<li>For the entire decade from 2010 to 2019, IBM averaged $3.3 billion per quarter in free-cash-flow.<\/li>\n<li>Both the capex and the FCF data is taken from an internal spreadsheet. Any errors or conflicts with sell-side data are my own.<\/li>\n<li>Large acquisitions &#8211; like a RedHat &#8211; are typically considered part of capex, but the small acquisitions are not added back to capex.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><em><strong>Valuation:\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>At $292 per share, IBM is trading at 26x and 24 expected EPS in &#8217;25 and &#8217;26 of $11.35 and $12.32 per share, for expected EPS growth of 10% and 8% respectively.<\/p>\n<p>The notable metric about 2025 is that revenue growth hit 7%, IBM&#8217;s best year of revenue growth since 2011 (!) &#8211; that was surprising to find on the spreadsheet.<\/p>\n<p>Another notable stat readers might find interesting is that of the 16 years (2010 &#8211; 2025 inclusive), IBM has had negative year-over-year revenue growth in 10 of those years.\u00a0 The next highest year of revenue growth was +2% in 2010.<\/p>\n<p>IBM hasn&#8217;t bought back any stock since $2 bl was repo&#8217;ed in Q4 &#8217;18 and then $920 ml was repo&#8217;ed in Q1 &#8217;19.<\/p>\n<p>The cash-flow and free-cash-flow valuation as of 9\/30\/25 for IBM was 22x and 26x and Big Blue sported a 4% free-cash-flow yield as of the October &#8217;25 earnings report.<\/p>\n<p>IBM is one of two big-cap tech companies, (the other being Oracle) that benefit from a weaker dollar. That may have been one reason IBM is looking to finish off &#8217;25 with 7% revenue growth, and with the weak dollar continuing into &#8217;26, the expected, estimated 5% revenue growth for &#8217;26 could be sweetened a little. Granted I&#8217;d rather see 7% pure organic growth, but the weak dollar does help at the margin.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Summary \/ conclusion:<\/strong><\/em> IBM&#8217;s stock price usually runs in 8, 10, 12 year cycles, of strong outperformance to capital destruction and returns that rival memory stocks:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>1987: stock peaks near $180 &#8211; $190 (from memory) prior to &#8217;87 crash. For rest of decade, server and workstation buildout through Corporate America decimates the mainframe business, and all of the early 1990&#8217;s were disastrous for the stock, as PC&#8217;s, servers, workstations multiplied like rabbits.<\/li>\n<li>1995: Lou Gerstner named CEO, after running Nabisco, and acquires Lotus-1-2-3, and some other acquisitions for IBM, finally generating some earnings and revenue growth for the mainframe giant. Stock performs better in late 1990&#8217;s.<\/li>\n<li>2002: Sam Palmisano replaces Lou Gerstner in 2002, sets IBM on a course involving &#8220;big data&#8221; and technology services. During Sam&#8217;s tenure, IBM&#8217;s stock price performance is double that of the SP 500;<\/li>\n<li>Sam Palmisano resigns 12\/31\/2011, handing Ginny Rometty a total bag of sand, just as the &#8220;cloud\/mobile\/ social&#8221; transformation was beginning in tech.<\/li>\n<li>Ginny Rometty saw the IBM stock price peak in April, 2013 and then languish for most of her tenure as IBM struggled to offset the secular decline in &#8220;tech services&#8221;.<\/li>\n<li>Arvind Krishna appointed IBM CEO on April 6, 2020, replacing Ginny Rometty. IBM stock finally breaks out above the April, 2013, all-time-high of $215 in late 2024.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Apologies for the history lesson, but there&#8217;s two ways you can evaluate the highs and lows of IBM: you can look at CEO&#8217;s tenures, or you can look at the technology cycles that proliferate our wonderful business, and determine if IBM can position themselves to benefit in some way, shape or form.<\/p>\n<p>Under Arvind Krishna, IBM is positioning to gain some revenue from AI, as the AI book was $9.5 billion as of the Sept &#8217;25 quarter, supposedly 22% of the consulting book.<\/p>\n<p>This blog never owned the stock probably from early 2014 until the ramp in 2024 but got my attention as the stock headed towards it&#8217;s old high. I tried a few times to get in and out of it or pick a bottom, but the inevitable IBM cycle constantly re-asserted itself, and not in a good way, until late 2024.<\/p>\n<p>If you think it&#8217;s easy to trade the great giants like IBM, Katy Huberty, a big-time technology strategist and stock picker at Morgan Stanley, made a notable buy call on IBM when the stock was trading around $115 &#8211; $120 in the first quarter of 2016 (crude oil had fallen from $94 in late 2014 to bottom in Q1 &#8217;16 near $28 per barrel, and it rattled everything and everyone on the Street), putting a price target on Big Blue of $165 &#8211; $170 (again, from memory) and the stock took years to take out that level.<\/p>\n<p>Personally, I think we are early in the &#8220;new&#8221; IBM cycle. Arvind is supposedly very capable and is re-positioning the company to benefit from AI, possibly Quantum, and what else may follow in the next few years.<\/p>\n<p>Where does IBM reach &#8220;full value&#8221; ? Hard to say, over $300, or $350 or $400 &#8211; in past cycles the stock has outperformed.<\/p>\n<p>In past cycles IBM has had excess cash-flow to repurchase stock and boost EPS, but for some reason &#8211; at least so far &#8211; the the CEO and CFO are unwilling to repurchase any stock. IBM&#8217;s balance sheet cash was 5% of the market cap of the stock after the October &#8217;25 financial results were released. Management is likely being prudent and might look to pay down the $47 bl in term debt outstanding, $20 bl of which is from the RedHat acquisition.<\/p>\n<p>Readers should look for continued revenue growth y-o-y, continued margin expansion as software closes in on 50% of IBM revenue and possibly better free-cash-flow in coming quarter&#8217;s and years.<\/p>\n<p>This blog has a 2.5% position in IBM spread across client portfolios. Like the Boeing earnings preview <a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=19195\">yesterday<\/a> these old American giants can make for great turnaround stories, with significant alpha generation, without getting tied up in the AI momo (momentum) stocks.<\/p>\n<p>None of this is advice or a recommendation, but only an opinion. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. LSEG I\/B\/E\/S is the source for all EPS, revenue, operating income and free-cash-flow estimates cited above. Readers and clients need to determine their own comfort with portfolio volatility and act accordingly.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for reading.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>IBM (IBM) is scheduled to report their Q4 &#8217;25 financial results after the closing bell on Wednesday, July 28th, 2026.&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[45],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-19213","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-ibm"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"post_mailing_queue_ids":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/19213","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=19213"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/19213\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":19222,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/19213\/revisions\/19222"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=19213"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=19213"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=19213"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}