{"id":18422,"date":"2025-07-22T13:50:00","date_gmt":"2025-07-22T19:50:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=18422"},"modified":"2025-07-22T13:50:00","modified_gmt":"2025-07-22T19:50:00","slug":"ibm-earnings-preview-cash-flow-multiples-are-much-more-reasonable","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=18422","title":{"rendered":"IBM Earnings Preview: Cash-Flow Multiples are Much More Reasonable"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>IBM (IBM) is scheduled to report their Q2 &#8217;25 financial results after the closing bell on Wednesday, July 23rd, 2025.<\/p>\n<p>Analyst consensus is expecting earnings per share of $2.64 on $16.59 billion in revenue and $3.19 bl in operating income for expected y-o-y growth of 9%, 5% and 11% respectively.<\/p>\n<p>Despite the YTD return of IBM this year i.e. +31% as of Monday, July 21, &#8217;25, earnings estimates for the full-year or the next few years haven&#8217;t changed much.<\/p>\n<p>Last quarter Q1 &#8217;25, IBM put up 1% revenue growth, +23% operating income growth on -5% EPS growth. Both software and RedHat decelerated y-o-y, (overall software growth falling to mid-single-digit growth) while AI rose sequentially, but remains a smaller number. The stock fell 7% in April &#8217;25, the day after reporting Q1 &#8217;25 financial results, as IBM&#8217;s &#8220;consulting book&#8221; has a chunk of the federal business, which was thought to be exposed (at that time) to the DOGE cost-cutting initiative.<\/p>\n<p>IBM guided to 5% constant currency revenue growth for calendar &#8217;25, and is a weak dollar beneficiary.<\/p>\n<p>If IBM hits the +5% consensus revenue estimate for Q2 &#8217;25, it will be the first time the stock has seen +5% revenue growth in any quarter since September &#8217;23.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Valuation story:\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>The big change in IBM the last few years has been a return free-cash-flow generation. At one point in 6 &#8211; 7 years ago, I thought IBM was going to run into significant issues given that TTM (trailing twelve month) free-cash flow had fallen to 70% of TTM net income, but IBM&#8217;s quality of earnings have improved markedly, and free-cash-flow is back.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s how this blog evaluates earnings quality for any non-financial company:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMearningsqualitytest72225.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-18426\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMearningsqualitytest72225-300x29.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"29\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMearningsqualitytest72225-300x29.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMearningsqualitytest72225-1024x98.png 1024w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMearningsqualitytest72225-150x14.png 150w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMearningsqualitytest72225-768x73.png 768w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMearningsqualitytest72225-1536x147.png 1536w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMearningsqualitytest72225-1600x153.png 1600w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMearningsqualitytest72225.png 1852w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Click on and expand the above spreadsheet for IBM&#8217;s earnings quality test.<\/p>\n<p>IBM&#8217;s earnings quality has improved nicely since 2022.<\/p>\n<p>Looking at forward earnings estimates, IBM at $285 per share is trading at 26x and 22x expected &#8217;25 and &#8217;26 EPS but only expecting 6% &#8211; 7% EPS growth respectively.<\/p>\n<p>While the stock&#8217;s PE looks elevated relative to it&#8217;s growth rate, IBM TTM cash-flow-per-share and free-cash-flow per share are $15 and $14 respectively, which means the stock is trading today at 15x and 16x those cash-flow metrics, so evaluating the stock on a cash-flow and FCF basis, IBM&#8217;s multiple is more attractive given it&#8217;s expected growth rates.<\/p>\n<p>Today, the free-cash-flow yield is 6%.<\/p>\n<p>Over the next three years &#8211; from &#8217;25 to &#8217;28 &#8211; IBM consensus estimates are looking for an average 6% EPS growth on 4% &#8211; 5% revenue growth, so you could make the case the stock&#8217;s run from it&#8217;s previous all-time-high in April &#8217;13 of $215 to today&#8217;s $282 &#8211; $285, hasn&#8217;t been accompanied by much of a change in earnings and revenue growth.<\/p>\n<p>Free-cash-flow has improved for sure, but IBM has not repurchased any IBM stock in the 24 quarters (6 years).<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s doesn&#8217;t sound like Arvind Krishna and the Board are too keen on repurchasing shares at any point in the near future, either. (That may not be a bad thing either. IBM wasted a lot of cash in the Ginny Rometty era buying back stock without a discernable growthy path forward, although I do think Ginny was put in a tough spot when Sam Palmisano left, which was when the growth started to contract.)<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Summary \/ conclusion: <\/strong><\/em>The way IBM is trading it appears that sell-side consensus is expecting better AI growth out of IBM, (or maybe even looking down the road further than that to quantum computing), but you could make a case that the stock is extended in the high $200&#8217;s here.<\/p>\n<p>However the breakout in IBM&#8217;s stock in late September &#8217;24, after being under water for 11 years isn&#8217;t to be ignored.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMmonthlychart72225.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-18430\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMmonthlychart72225-300x151.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"151\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMmonthlychart72225-300x151.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMmonthlychart72225-1024x516.png 1024w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMmonthlychart72225-150x76.png 150w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMmonthlychart72225-768x387.png 768w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMmonthlychart72225-1536x774.png 1536w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMmonthlychart72225-1600x806.png 1600w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/IBMmonthlychart72225.png 1900w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I think it was the great technician Louise Yamada who once said, &#8220;the greater the base, the bigger the race higher&#8221; which is a reference to the amount of time a stock spends consolidating under all-time-highs, and the power of that time and consolidation, and what it might say about forward returns.<\/p>\n<p>Just looking at the numbers, the analysts aren&#8217;t that excited yet about IBM, in terms of walking up estimates. <a href=\"https:\/\/seekingalpha.com\/news\/4470014-ibm-q2-earnings-on-deck-analysts-see-upside-from-expanding-ai-services\">This article<\/a> from SeekingAlpha talks about IBM&#8217;s expanding AI book of nearly $6 billion, which was surprising to me that the AI run rate was that high.<\/p>\n<p>The technical breakout on the stock is important: IBM is now a top-ten holding in client accounts, after years of not holding it at all. In Q4 &#8217;24, the stock was quickly bought in bigger quantities when IBM traded above the $213 &#8211; $213 previous all-time-high from 2013, and represents an approximate 3% position in client accounts, currently.<\/p>\n<p>Stocks like IBM that were dormant or dramatically underperformed the secular bull market in US stocks from 2013 forward, could hold their value better in a bear market given that dramatically underperforming stocks don&#8217;t wear the &#8220;crowded trade&#8221; crown.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s previous articles on IBM: <a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=17627\">here<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=16983\">here<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=15203\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=9808\">here.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>None of this is advice or a recommendation, but only an opinion. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. None of the above information may be updated, and if updated, may not be done so in a timely fashion. Readers and investors should gauge their own comfort level with portfolio volatility and adjust accordingly.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for reading.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>IBM (IBM) is scheduled to report their Q2 &#8217;25 financial results after the closing bell on Wednesday, July 23rd, 2025.&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[45],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-18422","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-ibm"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"post_mailing_queue_ids":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18422","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=18422"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18422\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":18435,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18422\/revisions\/18435"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=18422"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=18422"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=18422"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}