{"id":14870,"date":"2023-11-15T08:11:53","date_gmt":"2023-11-15T14:11:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=14870"},"modified":"2023-11-15T08:11:53","modified_gmt":"2023-11-15T14:11:53","slug":"walmart-earnings-preview-its-still-about-margins-target-results-probably-not-relevant","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=14870","title":{"rendered":"Walmart Earnings Preview: It&#8217;s Still About Margins &#8211; Target Results Probably Not Relevant"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Walmart (WMT) reports before the opening bell on Thursday morning, November 16th, 2023, with Street consensus expecting $1.52 in EPS, $6.3 billion in operating income and expected revenue growth of $159.7 billion. Year-over-year (y.y) growth for the three components is expected at 1%, 5% and 5% respectively, so expectations are rather subdued despite the stock bumping around at all-time-highs.<\/p>\n<p>For the all-important holiday quarter of January &#8217;24, (WMT&#8217;s fiscal Q4 &#8217;24), Street consensus is currently expecting $1.66 in EPS, $6.8 billion in operating income and $169.4 billion in revenue for expected y.y growth of -3%, +6%, and +3% respectively.<\/p>\n<p>For fiscal year &#8217;25, (ends January &#8217;25), Walmart is expecting $7.11 in EPS, $28.7 billion in operating income and $665 billion in revenue for &#8220;expected&#8221; EPS growth of 10% on 2% revenue growth. We&#8217;ll see how that fiscal &#8217;25 estimate changes in the next few quarters.<\/p>\n<p>Walmart typically guides cautiously.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>EPS and revenue revisions<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTrevrevisions111523.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-14873\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTrevrevisions111523-236x300.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"236\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTrevrevisions111523-236x300.png 236w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTrevrevisions111523-118x150.png 118w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTrevrevisions111523.png 472w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 236px) 100vw, 236px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTepsestrevisions111523.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-14875\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTepsestrevisions111523-201x300.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"201\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTepsestrevisions111523-201x300.png 201w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTepsestrevisions111523-100x150.png 100w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTepsestrevisions111523.png 415w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 201px) 100vw, 201px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Readers should examine Walmart&#8217;s revenue revisions first, particularly for 2025 and beyond (fiscal &#8217;25 begins Feb 1, &#8217;24), and note the steady increases to revenue estimates.<\/p>\n<p>Next, readers should note the EPS revisions for the same periods.<\/p>\n<p>This is the margin story. Steady increases in WMT revenue revisions have led to spotty trends in EPS revisions. But this pattern is likely abating.<\/p>\n<p>While Target&#8217;s results today might get everyone excited about Walmart&#8217;s expected earnings report tomorrow, I would caution readers to not extrapolate Target&#8217;s results into Walmart expectations for tomorrow&#8217;s WMT earnings report release.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTinventorytosalesgrowth111523.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-14876\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTinventorytosalesgrowth111523-300x9.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"9\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTinventorytosalesgrowth111523-300x9.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTinventorytosalesgrowth111523-1024x32.png 1024w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTinventorytosalesgrowth111523-150x5.png 150w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTinventorytosalesgrowth111523-768x24.png 768w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTinventorytosalesgrowth111523-1536x48.png 1536w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTinventorytosalesgrowth111523-1600x50.png 1600w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/WMTinventorytosalesgrowth111523.png 1873w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Readers need to click on the above spreadsheet to see the history of WMT&#8217;s inventory-to-sales growth. WMT started to have issues in 2019, probably due to China and early Covid, then 2020 and the work-from-home solved that problem, only to see Walmart incur significant supply chain issues from the April &#8217;21 through the July &#8217;22 quarters, and now that has also been corrected.<\/p>\n<p>Target also had a very easy compare in their October &#8217;22 quarter, while Walmart had a 14% EPS upside surprise on a 3% revenue beat in their October &#8217;22 quarter. The point is Walmart does not have near the easy compare as Target did against the October &#8217;22 quarter.<\/p>\n<p>Walmart has had positive comp&#8217;s while Target&#8217;s are still negative.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Ultimately, for Walmart it&#8217;s all about margins:<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Rather then reinvent the wheel, here&#8217;s a link to the <a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=14460\">August &#8217;23 WMT earnings preview<\/a>, and also the <a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=14480\">post-earnings analysis<\/a> and summary.<\/p>\n<p>The one thing that did occur to me about the Walmart earnings preview for the July quarter&#8217;s report was that the 15 -year decline in operating margin may be due to the fact that grocery is 50% &#8211; 70% of Walmart&#8217;s total revenue, that in and of itself may have accounted for a big part of the margin compression since grocery is &#8220;low-margin, high turnover&#8221; product, and fits very well with the &#8220;asset turnover&#8221; aspect of the DuPont ROE model.<\/p>\n<p>Whatever the attribution (and I was attributing a lot of the margin compression to Amazon&#8217;s growing presence), the fact is grocery is lower margin, and as grocery grew at a percentage of Walmart revenue, margins declined, but with the AI and supplier initiatives announced in April &#8217;23, Walmart does want to get that operating margin higher.<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;ll see how margin improvement develops in the October &#8217;23 and January 24 quarter&#8217;s for the retail giant.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Summary \/ conclusion:<\/strong><\/em>\u00a0 A lot of the problem issues around supply chain and logistics are abating for Walmart (and not just Walmart) thus the results in calendar &#8217;24 should be cleaner, but let&#8217;s continue to watch margins and cash-flow in the next few quarters.<\/p>\n<p>An interesting read for blog readers who are interested in the Walmart &#8211; Amazon steel cage match, is &#8220;Winner Sells All&#8221; a book about Walmart&#8217;s evolution into e-commerce by Jason Del Rey. I enjoy these type of reads (halfway through Winner Sells All) since it provides background and context as well as a look into a company&#8217;s culture, that are difficult to be gleaned from Wall Street research reports.<\/p>\n<p>Jason takes a look at Walmart&#8217;s evolution into and around e-commerce (Jet.com) and the fact is Walmart was very late to the party, but Amazon has not found an effective grocery answer with Amazon Fresh, so as long as Walmart&#8217;s revenue remains heavily tilted towards grocery, their $665 billion in annual revenue seems safe to a large degree. In one article written for www.seekingalpha.com in the last few years I noted how Amazon&#8217;s total revenue is now closing in on Walmart&#8217;s annual revenue (WMT&#8217;s $665 billion for fiscal &#8217;25 vs Amazon&#8217;s expected $709 billion in calendar 2025) but AMZN&#8217;s &#8220;online store&#8221; revenue is just $225 billion of Amazon&#8217;s trailing-twelve-month (TTM) revenue of $554 billion or just 50% of the total.<\/p>\n<p>Walmart&#8217;s grocery market share is really a fortress in terms of it&#8217;s &#8220;moat&#8221; or susceptibility to disruption. You&#8217;d think AMZN would have made better inroads into that segment by now, but they haven&#8217;t. I was thinking too of the Kroger &#8211; Albertson&#8217;s merger. You&#8217;d have to think that is being driven to try and compete with Walmart in grocery and retain whatever market share Kroger has currently.<\/p>\n<p>Clients own more Walmart (WMT) today than they have in the last 10 years, but I can&#8217;t tell readers that the stock won&#8217;t be down $5 &#8211; $10 on Thursday morning. There is a lot of moving parts to a retailer that size, and the stock is bumping against all-time-highs. WMT is a secular single-digit EPS and revenue growth, with revenue likely around mid-single-digits, and EPS potentially in high single-digits or low teens.<\/p>\n<p>The supply chain and AI initiatives should drive margin gains &#8211; the question is timing.<\/p>\n<p>The stock looks expensive trading at 23x forward EPS (3 year avg) for expected 5% EPS growth the next 3 years, driven by expected 4% revenue growth. Walmart on a price-to-sales basis remains a cheaper metric at 0.62x TTM revenue, while the cash-flow valuation at 11x and 22x cash-flow and free-cash-flow looks cheaper than the PE.<\/p>\n<p>Walmart&#8217;s cash-flow per share valuation is usually about half it&#8217;s PE valuation.<\/p>\n<p>The stock isn&#8217;t cheap, but like many consumer staples stocks, it never looks attractive on a valuation basis.<\/p>\n<p>Still with so much attention paid to large and mega-cap tech and &#8220;disruption&#8221; and &#8220;technology moats&#8221; Sam Walton and Walmart are one of America&#8217;s original disruptors. With $665 billion in revenue and expected to grow, Walmart remains one of America&#8217;s fortress companies.<\/p>\n<p>None of this is advice or recommendation. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. I could very well be wrong. (All EPS and revenue data sourced from IBES data by Refinitiv.)<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for reading.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Walmart (WMT) reports before the opening bell on Thursday morning, November 16th, 2023, with Street consensus expecting $1.52 in EPS,&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-14870","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-wmt"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"post_mailing_queue_ids":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14870","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=14870"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14870\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":14883,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14870\/revisions\/14883"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=14870"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=14870"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=14870"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}