{"id":14807,"date":"2023-11-04T15:44:02","date_gmt":"2023-11-04T21:44:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=14807"},"modified":"2023-11-04T15:44:02","modified_gmt":"2023-11-04T21:44:02","slug":"sp-500-earnings-beware-the-doomsayers-sp-500-earnings-should-be-fine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=14807","title":{"rendered":"SP 500 Earnings: Beware the Doomsayers &#8211; SP 500 Earnings Should Be Fine"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>No sooner did we have one solid week for the stock and bond markets as the seasonally-favorable part of the calendar began, when the gloom-and-doomers come out of the woodwork, and start yelling &#8220;the sky is falling&#8221; when it comes to SP 500 earnings.<\/p>\n<p>Don&#8217;t buy into the disaster-is-nigh crowd just yet. Here&#8217;s a couple of aspects to SP 500 earnings to consider:<\/p>\n<p>1.) Full-year 2023 SP 500 earnings growth is expected to be 2% &#8211; 3%, versus 6% actual growth in 2022, and yet the SPY was up 14.94% as of 11\/3\/23, in what seems like a difficult year. The knee-jerk reaction is to always trim SP 500 EPS expectations, but here&#8217;s the kicker: in 2019 SP 500 EPS growth was 0% and the SP 500 returned 31.8%, thanks to Jay Powell and the FOMC cutting interest rates.<\/p>\n<p>2.) In Q4 &#8217;23 and early 2024, the SP 500 faces weak compares vs the Q4 &#8217;22 and early 2023 actual SP 500 earnings results. Here&#8217;s a look at the numbers:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em><strong>Q4 &#8217;22 y.y EPS gro:<\/strong><\/em> -3.2% EPS gro, +5.8% rev gro;<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Q1 &#8217;23 y.y EPS gro:<\/strong><\/em> +1% EPS gro, +3.6% rev gro;<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Q2 &#8217;23 y.y EPS gro:<\/strong> <\/em>-2.8% EPS gro; +0.5% rev gro;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The 3rd quarter of 2023, being reported currently is the strongest quarter of SP 500 EPS growth since Q2 &#8217;22.<\/p>\n<p>3.) The final aspect to SP 500 estimates is that not ALL of the estimates put up are bottom-up SP 500 estimates run through models. John Butters or Michael Thompson, both of whom were at Refinitiv (before it was Refinitiv) told me that half the full-year SP 500 EPS estimates are thrown up by strategists, which can be somewhat &#8211; how shall we say &#8211; less rigorous, than a bottom-up earnings model. If Mike Wilson of Morgan Stanley would have thrown up a full-year 2022 or 2023 SP 500 estimate (or estimates) where do readers think it would have landed relative to consensus ? Not to pick on Mike. but to make the point about all the erroneous recession calls of the last 18 months, and what that does to the &#8220;mean&#8221; estimate.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s a table I like to show on occasion: look at the reduction (by quarter) in the last week:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/SP500qtrlyEPSrevgrorates11323.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-14811\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/SP500qtrlyEPSrevgrorates11323-300x100.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"100\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/SP500qtrlyEPSrevgrorates11323-300x100.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/SP500qtrlyEPSrevgrorates11323-1024x341.png 1024w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/SP500qtrlyEPSrevgrorates11323-150x50.png 150w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/SP500qtrlyEPSrevgrorates11323-768x256.png 768w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/SP500qtrlyEPSrevgrorates11323.png 1348w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The two columns highlighted are Q3 &#8217;23 EPS and revenue growth. Note the cuts to forward EPS and revenue growth this week.<\/p>\n<p>Remember, stock market return has more to do with liquidity than SP 500 earnings growth.<\/p>\n<p>What&#8217;s even more interesting is that SP 500 EPS is expected to grow in 2024 11% as of this weekend. That&#8217;s down from 12% a week or two ago. If the Fed does reduce rates in 2024, investors could be facing a double-barreled tail wind of decent SP 500 earnings growth and easier monetary policy.<\/p>\n<p>The point for readers is to use caution around SP 500 earnings that are too far in either direction in terms of optimism or pessimism. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see the &#8220;expected 11% 2024 SP 500 EPS growth get trimmed over the next 7 weeks, possibly to mid-single-digit expected growth.<\/p>\n<p>The &#8220;upside surprise&#8221; or beat rate to SP 500 EPS in this Q3 &#8217;23 is still at 7% even with 80% of the SP 500 having already reported. The headlines, the FOMC, the Fed&#8217;s statements, the constant negativity in the news media has driven earnings expectations and analyst estimates far too low, as evidenced by the &#8220;beat rate&#8221; of SP 500 earnings being +6.8%, +7.9% and +7.0% the last three quarters.<\/p>\n<p>Q4 &#8217;23 is facing very easy comp&#8217;s per the above numbers. It should be another healthy quarter for the SP 500 reports.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Summary \/ conclusion:\u00a0<\/strong><\/em> Take all of the above with substantial skepticism as it represents just one opinion, and it neither advice nor a recommendation. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Investors are entering into the seasonally-strongest part of the calendar for positive stock returns, and SP 500 earnings were\/are for Q3 &#8217;23 &#8211; once again &#8211; healthy. Certainly not blow-outs for most but the +5.7% EPS growth for Q3 &#8217;23 as of Friday, 11\/3\/23, is far healthier than the +1.6% expected on for the quarter on 9\/30\/23.<\/p>\n<p>If you are wondering what to watch, along with SP 500 earnings, for a US economy that might decelerate too quickly, watch corporate high yield credit or &#8220;junk&#8221; bonds. Corporate high yield had a good week last week &#8211; the HYG alone returned 3.18% last week. One metric tracked each week, is the return on high yield credit (HYG) versus the return on investment-grade credit and high yield is still +600 bp&#8217;s better YTD as of 11\/3\/23.<\/p>\n<p>If &#8220;duration&#8221; starts to catch up to credit, this spread should narrow, and if the US economy does start to decelerate faster than many expect, it&#8217;s likely to start to show up in credit spreads first.<\/p>\n<p>Rightly or wrongly, I&#8217;ve always felt that credit spreads were the early-warning detection system for US economic problems.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for reading.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>No sooner did we have one solid week for the stock and bond markets as the seasonally-favorable part of the&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[193,295,40,91],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-14807","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-corporate-high-yield","category-corporate-highgrade-bonds","category-hyg","category-weekly-earnings-update"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"post_mailing_queue_ids":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14807","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=14807"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14807\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":14820,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14807\/revisions\/14820"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=14807"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=14807"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=14807"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}