{"id":14422,"date":"2023-08-06T13:38:05","date_gmt":"2023-08-06T19:38:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=14422"},"modified":"2023-10-15T15:08:41","modified_gmt":"2023-10-15T21:08:41","slug":"will-the-us-treasury-market-have-a-decade-like-stocks-did-from-2000-to-2009-inflation-data-this-week","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/?p=14422","title":{"rendered":"Will the US Treasury Market Have a Decade Like Stocks Did from 2000 to 2009 ? (Inflation data this week)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The SP 500 fell roughly 2.25% last week &#8211; it&#8217;s first weekly decline since mid-May &#8217;23 &#8211; per the technical software.\u00a0The YTD 60% \/ 40% balanced portfolio return ended last week at 11.22%, versus the 13.27% YTD return the prior week and the 10.98% as of June 30 &#8217;23.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>CPI and PPI data this week:\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/briefing.comecondataweekof8723.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-14431\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/briefing.comecondataweekof8723-300x116.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"116\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/briefing.comecondataweekof8723-300x116.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/briefing.comecondataweekof8723-1024x395.png 1024w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/briefing.comecondataweekof8723-150x58.png 150w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/briefing.comecondataweekof8723-768x296.png 768w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/briefing.comecondataweekof8723-1536x592.png 1536w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/briefing.comecondataweekof8723-1600x617.png 1600w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/briefing.comecondataweekof8723.png 1878w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The attached is the economic releases due out this week as detailed by Briefing.com.<\/p>\n<p>The CPI will likely get a lot of attention: the tough part to the CPI \/ PPI data the last 18 months, is that the &#8220;compares&#8221; for the CPI get tougher as we move through 2023, since CPI inflation peaked in June &#8217;22.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/BespokeCPIinflationchart71823.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-14433\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/BespokeCPIinflationchart71823-300x229.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"229\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/BespokeCPIinflationchart71823-300x229.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/BespokeCPIinflationchart71823-1024x780.png 1024w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/BespokeCPIinflationchart71823-150x114.png 150w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/BespokeCPIinflationchart71823-768x585.png 768w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/BespokeCPIinflationchart71823.png 1080w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Personally, I think this Bespoke chart remains one of the best inflation maps being published today.<\/p>\n<p>Note &#8220;peak CPI&#8221; in June &#8217;22 (top half of chart), but then the bottom half of the chart \/ table is where the rubber really meets the road: note how for July &#8217;23&#8217;s expected CPI print, a +0.0% or +0.1% (low end of expectations) will leave overall CPI at just 3%, but with the above Briefing.com table expecting +0.2% for overall CPI and +0.3% for Core CPI, it&#8217;s more likely the year-over-year will come in at 3.19% or 3.29%.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s a better look at the positive progression the last 12 months:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/CPIprogressionoverlast12months8623.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-14435\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/CPIprogressionoverlast12months8623-300x270.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"270\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/CPIprogressionoverlast12months8623-300x270.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/CPIprogressionoverlast12months8623-150x135.png 150w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/CPIprogressionoverlast12months8623.png 622w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Even Bespoke acknowledges that getting the CPI or general inflation rate down to a &#8220;consistent&#8221; 2% run-rate will be quite &#8220;arduous&#8221; and I&#8217;d have to agree.<\/p>\n<p>Quick editorial comment: one of the problems with hyper-focus on any particular set of economic data, is that investors start to see &#8220;hybrids&#8221; or other proxies popping up to either refute or support a particular bias on the data. There are so many inflation proxies today, and more have developed over the last 30 years, with &#8220;prices paid&#8221; on all the ISM data, and the Fed&#8217;s NowCast data (some of which I think is helpful), but we still have CPI, PPI, the PCE deflator data, the &#8220;average hourly earnings&#8221; data within the jobs report, the &#8220;employment cost index data, and there is probably a bunch more that can&#8217;t be immediately recalled. Supposedly, Jay Powell has used &#8220;core services, ex housing PCE inflation&#8221; as one measure that&#8217;s been frequently cited on Twitter.<\/p>\n<p>Whatever we see Thursday and Friday from CPI and PPI, expect the arguments to continue to rage.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Are Bonds Prepped for a Decade of Returns like Stocks Saw from 2000 to 2009 ?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Remember, inflation is all about expectations, and bond markets dislike inflation because inflation reduces real (inflation-adjusted) returns.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s two scarier charts from two credible sources:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/RichBernsteinInflationExpectationsaug323.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-14437\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/RichBernsteinInflationExpectationsaug323-300x190.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"190\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/RichBernsteinInflationExpectationsaug323-300x190.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/RichBernsteinInflationExpectationsaug323-150x95.png 150w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/RichBernsteinInflationExpectationsaug323.png 595w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Fed10yrbreakeveninflation72823.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-14438\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Fed10yrbreakeveninflation72823-300x168.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"168\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Fed10yrbreakeveninflation72823-300x168.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Fed10yrbreakeveninflation72823-1024x572.png 1024w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Fed10yrbreakeveninflation72823-150x84.png 150w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Fed10yrbreakeveninflation72823-768x429.png 768w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Fed10yrbreakeveninflation72823-1536x858.png 1536w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Fed10yrbreakeveninflation72823.png 1576w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The first chart is from Rich Bernstein Advisers, while the 2nd chart was cut-and-pasted from Mike Zaccardi&#8217;s (@mikezaccardi) twitter feed, from late July and includes the Fed&#8217;s (FRED) 10-year breakeven inflation rate chart.<\/p>\n<p>Inflation expectations are rising, not falling, and the 10-year breakeven inflation rates are doing the same, which is not what you&#8217;d like to see after a 500 &#8211; 525 basis point increase in the fed funds rate.<\/p>\n<p>Two charts \/ tables on bond returns:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/bilello3yrAGGreturns8623.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-14441\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/bilello3yrAGGreturns8623-300x171.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"171\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/bilello3yrAGGreturns8623-300x171.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/bilello3yrAGGreturns8623-1024x583.png 1024w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/bilello3yrAGGreturns8623-150x85.png 150w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/bilello3yrAGGreturns8623-768x437.png 768w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/bilello3yrAGGreturns8623-1536x874.png 1536w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/bilello3yrAGGreturns8623.png 1555w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Charlie Bilello shows the rolling 3-year returns on the bond market benchmark, the Barclays Aggregate.<\/p>\n<p>Is that bullish or bearish bonds and interest rates ?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Bondidxreturn73123.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-14443\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Bondidxreturn73123-300x86.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"86\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Bondidxreturn73123-300x86.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Bondidxreturn73123-150x43.png 150w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Bondidxreturn73123.png 709w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Will it&#8217;s a little more &#8220;industrial&#8221; quality, using Morningstar return data, I update this table on the last day of every month to stay abreast of both short and longer-term bond market asset class returns.<\/p>\n<p>The fact is 1 &#8211; 10 year return buckets are pretty thin and after incorporating the burst of inflation we&#8217;ve seen in the last 18 months, real (inflation adjusted) returns are now pretty close to zero through 10 years.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Summary \/ conclusion:<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>If readers would ever get a hold of the data, which is less available today, simply because so many companies realize what a gold-mine good return data is, (this deserves an entirely separate article), but if you look at the &#8220;annual&#8221; return for the SP 500 from the year 2000 to 2009, or more precisely from January 1, 2000 to December 31, 2009, that &#8220;return&#8221; was roughly 1.25% &#8211; 1.5% per year for the decade, the lowest annual return since the 1930&#8217;s, which was sharply negative thanks to an errant Federal Reserve and the Great Depression.<\/p>\n<p>Could we see an equivalent decade for bonds i.e. the Barclays Aggregate for this period from 2020 to 2029 ?<\/p>\n<p>Anything is possible, but it&#8217;s less likely I would suspect given the Fed will surely break the back of inflation, rather than let it remain too uncomfortably elevated for too long.<\/p>\n<p>Why is the US economy still so strong ? It&#8217;s an educated guess, but housing prices remain steady, and that&#8217;s real balance sheet wealth for the average American, and Jamie Dimon, JPMorgan&#8217;s iconic CEO noted on a recent conference call (I couldn&#8217;t listen to his entire @CNBC interview last week, so if he repeated the statement I did not catch it), there is an &#8220;additional $3 trillion in cash&#8221; on deposit in the banking system, presumably from the monetary and fiscal stimulus around Covid and the pandemic, not to mention all the US home mortgages refi&#8217;ed during the pandemic, and all the additional discretionary income those refi&#8217;ed mortgages produced for the average American.<\/p>\n<p>The US economy is $24 &#8211; $25 trillion in size, so an additional $3 trillion ain&#8217;t chicken feed (so to speak).<\/p>\n<p>The key level for the 10-year Treasury yield &#8211; last October, &#8217;22 highs &#8211; is 4.30% &#8211; 4.33%.<\/p>\n<p>Rick Santelli, the great CNBC econ commentator and a pretty good technician in his own right, noted that closing highs are what matter, and that would be 4.32% &#8211; 4.33% on the TNX or the CBOE 10-year Treasury yield contract.<\/p>\n<p>The monthly TLT is as oversold as it&#8217;s ever been in it&#8217;s 20-year history: that doesn&#8217;t mean it can&#8217;t go lower.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/TLTmonthlychart8623.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-14445\" src=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/TLTmonthlychart8623-300x146.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"146\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/TLTmonthlychart8623-300x146.png 300w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/TLTmonthlychart8623-1024x498.png 1024w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/TLTmonthlychart8623-150x73.png 150w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/TLTmonthlychart8623-768x374.png 768w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/TLTmonthlychart8623-1536x748.png 1536w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/TLTmonthlychart8623-1600x779.png 1600w, https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/TLTmonthlychart8623.png 1896w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Take everything you&#8217;ve read today with considerable skepticism and a material dose of salt. It&#8217;s strictly one person&#8217;s opinion. Past performance is no indicator of future results. None of this is advice. All SP 500 earnings-related data is usually sourced from IBES data by Refinitiv unless otherwise noted. None of these opinions may be updated, and if they are updated, my not be done in a timely fashion. Readers should gauge their own appetite for market volatility and adjust accordingly. Capital markets can and do change quickly.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for reading.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The SP 500 fell roughly 2.25% last week &#8211; it&#8217;s first weekly decline since mid-May &#8217;23 &#8211; per the technical&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[190,63,287,259,72],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-14422","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-10-year-treasury-yield","category-agg","category-cpi-ppi","category-inflation","category-tlt"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"post_mailing_queue_ids":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14422","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=14422"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14422\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":14718,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14422\/revisions\/14718"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=14422"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=14422"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/fundamentalis.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=14422"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}